Tier List oficial BW

[Neuer]

No, lo han dicho en PakoSpain, que Deoxys Speed a Uber.

[Perroflauta]

que Deoxys Speed a Uber.

Y con razón.

Pero vamos, que el set de lead era desaprovechar todo el potencial de revenge killer.

[Chisposo]

Por cierto,faltan de actualizar las tier:

-BL2
-LC(Little  Cup)
-Limbo
-NFE

[Wogoru]

No, esta mañana me meti y me metian en Clear Skies

Y con razón.

Pero vamos, que el set de lead era desaprovechar todo el potencial de revenge killer.

Claro, es desaprovechar al pokemon mas raido lo cual hace meter la pantalla el principio, que pueda meter la basura, tauntear, devolver, atacar, es verdad no sirve para nada -.-'


Ademas, el Scizor bander le hace 68% de la vida con U-Turn si mete reflect

[Perroflauta]

No, esta mañana me meti y me metian en Clear Skies

Claro, es desaprovechar al pokemon mas raido lo cual hace meter la pantalla el principio, que pueda meter la basura, tauntear, devolver, atacar, es verdad no sirve para nada -.-'

No es que no haga nada, es que es mejor atacando que poniendo basura.

Ademas, el Scizor bander le hace 68% de la vida con U-Turn si mete reflect

XD
¿Adivinas cúanto le hace deoxys a scizor con hp fire? ¿Eres de los que si ve un deoxys-s en el equipo rival empieza con scizor? Menudos palos se va a llevar, pero vamos, empieces con el que empieces.

[Wogoru]

No, es un suicidio. A lo que me refiero es caundo uso es Deoxys screener que todo el mundo se tira a sacarle a scizor

[sergio16]

eing, sí no han hecho votación. ese debe de estar mal

Si se ha votado: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3458002&page=24

En Smogon Deoxys-S está en OU.

Por cierto,faltan de actualizar las tier:

-BL2
-LC(Little  Cup)
-Limbo
-NFE

No, es Uber, lo pone muy claro en su server. Si no aparece en la Tier List es porque aún no han tenido tiempo de actualizar.

Y con razón.

Pero vamos, que el set de lead era desaprovechar todo el potencial de revenge killer.

No estoy de acuerdo, si luego tengo tiempo lo argumento.

[Criss]

We've reached the unanimous decision that Deoxys-S is Uber

We feel like the arguments for Uber in this thread pointed to two main points that pushed Deoxys-S over the edge: 1. It does its job incredibly easily and; 2. Upon completion of that job, the Deoxys-S user has a distinct advantage over his opponent.

Of course, that can almost be said of any Pokemon that does its job well (Latios, Dragonite, Volcarona, etc.), but none of those Pokemon can guarantee constant momentum to one player from turn 1. Deoxys-S's two primary jobs are setting screens and laying hazards. Other Pokemon can fill this role, but nowhere near as effectively as Deoxys-S. Aldaron was personally swayed by the bulky screener that doesn't need to be used as a sacrificial screener and can come in throughout the game to repeatedly do its job. Even by sacrificing speed for bulk Deoxys-S still outspeeds most of the metagame. Even the non-bulky version is by far the best screener in the game. Several posts in this topic have also outlined why the constant presence of Screens on one side of the field breaks several sweepers. Deoxys-S is the only screener that can almost guarantee this constant presence.

The spiker, on the other hand, separates itself from other spikes/stealth rockers in that it can give the user immediate momentum from Turn 1. That momentum, just like screens, makes it harder for teams to deal with any and all offensive threats. Deoxys-S speed, access to taunt, team preview helping it avoid Scizor or TTar, or any other immediate threat, and ability to both Spike and lay Stealth Rock are what make it an amazing spiker. But most notably its ability to run specific moves to counter Pokemon that threaten it are what really separate it from the rest of the pack.

Deoxys-S is already a difficult Pokemon to deal with, but the uncertainty of its moves make handling it an exercise in extreme caution. Most spikers can be dealt with by a rapid spinner, however Deoxys-S immediately threatens all rapid spinners with its amazing movepool. Forretress can be dealt with with HP Fire (as well as Scizor, another typical answer to Deoxys-S). Starmie can be dealt with by Thunderbolt. Tentacruel can be dealt with by Psycho Boost. Tyranitar, a threat to OHKO through Sash, is handled by Superpower. Now obviously Deoxys-S isn't going to be running HP Fire/Thunderbolt/Superpower/Psycho Boost as its offensive moves, but the fact that you have no idea if your "counter" to Deoxys-S is going to swiftly die rather than doing the job it's meant to do really pushes it over the edge, especially compared to other Spikers who may be able to get Spikes down quickly, but have no way of handling their most common counters.

Of course, Deoxys-S can also run an offensive set. While nowhere near as gamebreaking as the other two sets, it's still arguably the best revenge killer in the game, with amazing speed, reliable attack stats, and one of the best offensive movepools in the game. The existence of this set simply hammers home the fact that you don't know if your Deoxys-S counter is going to counter Deoxys-S.

Looking at specific counters, you can see that if they counter one set, they are a complete liability against the others. Forretress may stop HP Fire-less spikers, but is setup fodder for the screener (and an especially easy Pokemon for a sweeper to setup on following the setup of the screens). Starmie, Tentacruel, and other spinners fall into the same trap as Forretress. The screener requires specialization that leaves you at a disadvantage against the rest of the metagame. The offensive version is countered mostly by bulky steels that are once again setup for the other versions. Being able to handle all three requires even more specialization than to beat the screener, and this just puts all teams hoping to properly deal with Deoxys-S at a severe disadvantage against other teams.

For these reasons, Deoxys-S is now Uber.

Pues...
ni modo xD

[eeveeto]

Totalmente de acuerdo con smogon en este caso , nunca se sabe si es fisico , especial, mixto, spiker, dual screener, gravity ( electrocañon + puño dinamico = PRO ), o trick roomer ( le dare un +1 al que haga uno asi xDDDD ). Es impredecible al igual que mew , solo que este hace bien su trabajo ...

[Perroflauta]

Ya dije en la anterior votación que me parecía el más uber de los candidatos.

Lo peor es que es impredecible.

"Now obviously Deoxys-S isn't going to be running HPFire/Thunderbolt/Superpower/Psycho Boost"

Le he usado igual, pero en vez de rayo, rayo hielo, y pegaba palos a todo.

[Wogoru]

O si era screener+2 atques salias confiado e que tenia solo las pantallas y basura y te metia ostias

[Luispako]

Entonces es Uber ahora?

[Pokemonos]

Entonces es Uber ahora?

Sí, al menos en Smogon.

[Criss]

Sí, al menos en Smogon.

Solo falta deoxis-D 

[Krub]

Deoxys-D no va a ser Uber esta gen a menos que den algo muy bueno en Gris o remakes de Rubi/Zafiro, lo raro que es que llegara a ser OU xD

[Eon Sky]

Espero que en esta ronda de suspect del PO se consiga banear a Excadrill.

[eeveeto]

Yo votare Uber en wifi , consegui llegar a 1450. En DW llegue tambien pero como me salia bien , decidi coronar el ranking y en vez de eso baje u.u.

Pero por mi parte sera Uber en wifi.

[Eon Sky]

Yo votare Uber en wifi , consegui llegar a 1450. En DW llegue tambien pero como me salia bien , decidi coronar el ranking y en vez de eso baje u.u.

Pero por mi parte sera Uber en wifi.

Yo también lo votaré para que suba a Uber, sin duda.

[Criss]

Deoxys-D no va a ser Uber esta gen a menos que den algo muy bueno en Gris o remakes de Rubi/Zafiro, lo raro que es que llegara a ser OU xD

yo c qué núnca sera Uber xD ni en 1,000 años 

es raro verlo en OU cierto pero siendo doble screener

[pokebasket]

yo podria votarle pero no se por que he bajado hasta 1350 teniendo 1540 antes... WTF?

salu2 y a ver si subo algo